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Men, je and ze: people in general

B1Pronouns · lesson 20 of 24

To talk about people in general, everyday Dutch uses _je_: _Je moet hier betalen_ means that anyone, you included, has to pay here. _Men_ means the same but sounds formal, so you mostly meet it in writing. And _ze_ is the vague "they", the people in charge whom nobody bothers to name: _Ze gaan de weg repareren_.

The pattern

Use _je_ for people in general in everyday Dutch, _men_ in formal writing, and _ze_ for an unnamed group that makes decisions.

Examples

Je moet hier eerst een kaartje kopen.You have to buy a ticket here first.
Als je in Nederland woont, heb je echt een fiets nodig.If you live in the Netherlands, you really need a bike.
Bij de huisarts moet je meestal eerst bellen voor een afspraak.At the GP you usually have to call for an appointment first.
Een warme douche geeft je meteen een beter gevoel.A warm shower makes you feel better straight away.
Men verwacht dat de huizenprijzen volgend jaar verder stijgen.It is expected that house prices will rise further next year.
Men dient zich bij de balie te melden.One is required to report to the desk.
Ze gaan volgende week de weg repareren.They are going to repair the road next week.
Ze hebben de treinkaartjes weer duurder gemaakt.They have made train tickets more expensive again.
Ze zeggen dat het morgen gaat sneeuwen.They say it is going to snow tomorrow.

Why it works this way

Think of three camera positions. With _je_, you hold the camera yourself: you step into the situation and picture doing it. That is why _je_ feels warm and natural, and why Dutch uses it for instructions, advice and explaining how things work. With _men_, the camera sits on a tall tripod and nobody is in the picture, so it sounds official and distant. With _ze_, the camera points across the street at a faceless group that decides things for you: the _gemeente_, the railway company, your landlord.

Compare these pairs:

In modern official writing, _men_ is slowly giving way to _u_ or the passive: _U dient zich te melden_, _Er wordt verwacht dat..._ (see [The passive with worden](#/lesson/passive)). Generic _je_ can also be heard as the listener personally, just like English "you". Context usually makes it clear. If you really mean the listener, say _Jij moet betalen_ with stress on _jij_ (more in [Jij or je?](#/lesson/stressed-unstressed)).

Remember: _je_ is you in the situation, _men_ is nobody in particular on paper, and _ze_ is the people with the clipboards.

Watch out

Quick check

  1. Fix the sentence: _Men zeggen dat de economie dit jaar groeit._
  2. Fill in _je_ or _zich_: _Men moet ... bij de receptie melden._
  3. Choose the form that means "they": _Ze bouwt / Ze bouwen een nieuwe fietsenstalling bij het station._
  4. Fill in _je_ or _men_: _Een wandeling in het bos geeft ... nieuwe energie._

Answers

  1. _Men zegt dat de economie dit jaar groeit._ (_men_ takes a singular verb)
  2. _zich_ (the -self word that goes with _men_)
  3. _Ze bouwen_ (plural verb, because _ze_ means "they" here)
  4. _je_ (_men_ can only be the subject)

Use it today

Explain to a new neighbour or colleague, in three sentences with _je_, how something works where you live, such as recycling glass or checking in at the station. Then add one sentence with _ze_ about something the _gemeente_ is changing in your street.

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